[Uucf-bible] Questions about 1 Corinthians 8:4-6
tarvid at ls.net
Fri Jan 30 20:02:37 EST 2009
I should stay out of this one. This is one of the disagreements I had with
my Bible Teacher which we never resolved.
At his best Paul seems to be a Universalist - in Christ there is neither Jew
After conversion, Paul held his Roman citizenship more closely than his
These interpretations of the shema are grotesquely oversimplified.
Monotheism is not the core. Love of God, keeping Him on your heart and mind
and remembering is the essence.
Paul has many modes, this one is dealing with perceived error in one of his
churches. The ones expounding his theology for its own sake are more clear.
Finally, in rare cases, he "quotes" Jesus.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, <RevRonRobinson at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi John. Here is how many of the scholars of the New Paul Perspective would
> I believe approach this which makes the most sense to me:
> 1. Paul is a thoroughgoing Jew from start to finish who never has any other
> notion than the God of the Torah is the singular Ruler of the Universe.
> 2. Jesus was the Christ, the Anointed, the Messiah, but not God wholly as
> understood through the Torah and the history of Israel.
> 3. Paul was trained as a Pharisee; they were the Jews of the first century
> who believed in an eschatological bodily resurrection signifying the
> age that would make right the world; of course not all did but that's
> matter; Paul's theology was that God raised Jesus after the crucifixion
> that this signaled the beginning of the bodily resurrection to come, the
> messianic age, the kingdom of God, that in fact Jesus became the Anointed,
> Christ, the Messiah at the time of his resurrection by God because of his
> faithfulness to God even unto the cross, and not before (it is God who
> does the
> raising, not Jesus by himself), and that Jesus as Messiah would come
> some time soon, to participate in the full bodily resurrection of all the
> martyrs, the faithful, and in the full transformation of the earth into
> God's realm.
> 4. The mission of those who would be faithful to God as Jesus was faithful
> to God was to participate in this dawning messianic age, this kingdom of
> present and still to come, by participating in communities that would be
> faitfhul to such a God as seen in the faithfulness of Jesus, which is why
> communities were so inclusive, they were to be signs of such a messianic
> age as
> would be fitting to Jesus' style of faithfulness. In fact the more these
> communities grew, and the more faithful they were, incorporating non-Jews
> the sa
> me as Jews like Paul, these communities could help usher in that present
> coming messianic time.
> 5. So God is God, Father of all, Jew and non-Jew, now as always; Jesus as
> the Risen One, the Christ, Messiah, is the conduit now for all who would
> in this new creation, this new age, especially, and this is important, for
> non-Jews, with whom Paul is ultimately concerned and to whom and about
> whom his
> letters are written. Elsewhere in Romans he makes clear Jews are already
> covenant with God and nothing eliminates that; Christ however provides a
> gateway for non-Jews to be in that covenant.
> 6. So yes I think Paul is getting at something close to what you are
> up on in his letter; and I think there is some linkage for such a good
> scripture reader as Paul between the Risen One, the Christ, the Messiah,
> and those
> promises that were to come via the Sophia, Wisdom, which makes its
> appearance in the Hebrew scriptures and which would become so important
> eventually in
> the shaping of the understanding of the Holy Spirit in post Pauline times.
> My take on things from my study of Paul.
> blessings, Ron
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