[Uucf-bible] Scope of salvation - personal - group - universal/object of ...

[RevRonRobinson at aol.com]

In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:07 PM Central Daylight Time, tarvid at ls.net 
writes:

> I am still puzzled by the phrase "justified by grace through faith".
> Clearly, this is God's grace but not God's faith. Current view is that
> it is our faith but Paul would argue it is Jesus' faith. In any case
> logic would treat "through faith" as a modifier (i.e. limitation) which
> is inconsistent with the nature of God even if it were a self-limitation
> by God.
> 

Good post and reflections Jim. 
I think the new perspective on Paul would have Paul, especially in Romans, 
say something like it is our faithfulness to God's faithfullness, as Jesus was 
faithtful to God's faithfulness, as Abraham was faithful to God's faithfulness, 
which brings about the justifying of the soul into right relationship. And to 
Paul I think the "our" was both, as you point out, for persons and 
communities; I don't think he saw them as separate entities. 

blessings of the coming Pentecost Sunday,
Ron Robinson